'The ladies ought to have at least

three nights in the week':

women and Victorian Turkish baths

1: Introduction   2: The first Victorian Turkish baths
3: Women and the first Turkish baths   4: Availability of the baths to women
  6: Attitudes to privacy, nudity, & exercise

7: The Turkish bath and women's health


5. Entrance charges and attendants' wages

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Smedleys Hydropathic: main building, 1920s Smedley's Hydropathic Establishment: Ladies Cooling room in 1920s
View of Smedley's Hydropathic, Matloock, in the 1920's, and women's cooling-room

Wealthier women were able to take Turkish baths in hotels or fashionable hydros. We know that women visited such establishments on their own because Dr Barter’s hydro, which had been served by its own railway station since 1888 (St Anne’s on the Cork and Muskerry Light Railway)   found it necessary, five years later, to add a Ladies’ Waiting Room to meet their needs.26

             
Women's Turkish bath prices
          

Years

Priced

Highest

Lowest

Wage*

1858-71

22

5s. 0d.

3d.

15s. 0.

1872-81

13

2s. 6d.

6d.

17s. 0.

1882-91

17

2s. 6d.

9d.

18s. 0.

1892-1901

9

3s. 6d.

1s. 0d.

£1. 0. 0.

  
  
* A labourer's weekly wage

           
Prices were available for 61 baths. The table is arranged so as to give a general impression only; too much should not be deduced from it.
               

Only rarely have I found that women and men were charged differently, even though few women had any disposable income of their own. Before 1881, the lowest charges most frequently found were 6d and 1/-; afterwards, 1/- was the most common. This was usually for the second or third class Turkish baths, but the class difference frequently meant different times of the day rather than inferior facilities or, sometimes, that the bather had to bring her own towels.

But personal cleanliness was almost impossible for those who were too poor to afford even 6d for a Turkish bath. During most of the nineteenth century, few people had their own toilets (indoors or out) and few had easily accessible running cold water, let alone hot. Additionally, there was still a tax on soap of 3d per lb which was not repealed until 1853. But the recent cholera epidemics, and the reports of Chadwick and others, were beginning to focus attention on the problems of sanitation and personal cleanliness. 

It was in this context that the Ladies’ National Association for the Diffusion of Sanitary Knowledge (later the Ladies’ Sanitary Association) was founded in the Autumn of 1857 for ‘the diffusion of sanitary knowledge and the promotion of physical education among the female sex.’

It published, and widely distributed, a series of penny tracts on, for example, The  worth of fresh air, The power of soap and water, and Hints  to working people about  personal cleanliness.27

But in the mid 1860s, realising that leaflets and free bars of soap were not enough, the Cardiff Branch negotiated a deal with the local bath company whereby Turkish bath tickets issued by the association to deserving cases for a token sum, would be accepted at the Guildhall Street Baths.28 But it is not known how long this scheme lasted, or whether other branches copied it.

Average  entrance charges of 6d and 1/- take on a different perspective when compared with the wages of those who worked in the baths. For example, in 1891, Gloucester Corporation charged 2/- for a first-class Turkish bath, and this included a private dressing box, plunge bath, shampooing, and use of the lounge.

In the same year, at the same baths, a young woman was appointed at 12/- per week to issue tickets, and a Mrs Turner was engaged as a female shampooer,

she to attend when required and to be paid 4/- for each day she attends.29

She was still there in 1921 and the Corporation presented her with a ‘purse and contents as a token of appreciation’, though we are not told the value of the contents.30

Massage in York Hall in the 1920s

A latter-day Mrs Turner
at London's York Hall
in the 1920s

In 1896, as part of Charles Booth’s Inquiry into the Life and labour of the people in London, George Duckworth interviewed James Forder Nevill about his shampooers.31 At that time there were around 40 Turkish baths in London and Nevill suggested that between them they employed around 100 male, and 20 female, shampooers.

The standard wage of a shampooer was 20/- (one pound) per week; Nevill’s paid 22/- simply to be able to say that ‘Nevills pays more than anyone else’.

But the 'standard' rate of pay did not apply to all his employees; women shampooers were paid only 14/- per week.32

         
Shampooers' wages at
Nevill’s Baths in 1896
            

Men’s annual wage

£  57. 4. 0.

Men’s annual tips

£143. 0. 0.

Men’s annual income

£200. 4. 0.
   

Women's annual wage

£  36. 8. 0.

Women's annual tips

£  26. 0. 0.

Women's annual income

£  62. 8. 0.

                  

 

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1: Introduction   2: The first Victorian Turkish baths
3: Women and the first Turkish baths   4: Availability of the baths to women
  6: Attitudes to privacy, nudity, & exercise

7: The Turkish bath and women's health